• Rob Spectre
  • 17
  • Jul
  • 09

Since last week’s Real Time with Bill Maher, something has been sticking in my craw.  In an exceptional episode featuring interviews with Oliver Stone and Cameron Diaz, the last guest made the kind of jackassed declaration that exemplifies the generation of our mothers and fathers.  Billy Bob Thornton was relating a story where he took exception to a production assistant calling him a “dinosaur” for his dismissal of contemporary rock.

His reaction was typical:

Look, let me give you a test here.  From 1975 till now, I want you to take a sheet a paper and write down the musicians, singers, artists, songwriters, whatever.  From that time until now who will be known a hundred years from now as legendary, classic performers in any sense.  Start naming some.

This is bullshit.

“Real” rock n’ roll didn’t end in 1975 anymore than “family values” began.  Thornton’s claim dismisses in one broad swath huge, influential chunks of popular music.  Punk rock, alternative, grunge, hip-hop, indie, electronica – they all started after 1975 and they have all shaped Western pop culture – including Billy Bob Thornton – profoundly.

“The List” is something that these pop paleontologists are obsessed with.  “Name a hundred legendary bands,” they say, that didn’t emerge from their era.  They talk about The Beatles and The Eagles, Elvis and Led Zepplin like no other band could be as classic; like theirs is the exclusive province of good tunes.

A hundred legendary bands after 1975.  A hundred bands that could be easily defended as important, influential and timeless as any before 1975.  Well, I think that list is something this community is particularly qualified to produce.  Billy Bob “will give you” R.E.M. and U2.

This is your (d)N0t weekend challenge.  We need to come up with the other 98 in the comments of this post.

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  • Hala Furst
    Posted at the risk of revealing my astonishingly different taste in music- the list above me being alarmingly un-fly-over-country-friendly.... There are some glaring absences in my mind....

    1. Bruce Springsteen was around before 1975, but Born to Run debuted that year.

    2. Are we counting Coldplay as rock?

    3. I'm counting Dixie Chicks, I don't care what you or the Bible Belt have to say about it.

    4. On that note, like him or hate him, Jimmy Buffet is a particular type of legend, and not one you can fairly say is purely country. For the record, I love him (absent his concerning affinity for Toby Keith). BRING IT.

    5. Liz Phair, you big bunch of boys.

    6. Sufjan Stevens.

    7. The Pretenders.

    8. Violent Femmes. Seriously.

    It's hard to realize some of my favorite bands simply aren't legendary... *single tear*.

  • Couple more...

    "Weird" Al Yankovic
    Crash Test Dummies
    BNL
    Motley Crue
    Ministry
    Run DMC
    Sugar Hill Gang

  • Scottie Shoes
    Already mentioned but I will second Iron Maiden.

    Iron Maiden was formed Christmas day 1975 and just completed the "Somewhere Back In Time" tour which produced an audience of 63,000 at the São Paulo venue. This is Iron Maiden's largest crowd at a solo show to date.
    Iron Maiden's "World Slavery" tour (1984-1985) is considered one of the largest tours in music history.

    Source: Wikipedia

  • Dammit, Rob got a ton of the ones I am thinking of. What's interesting to me is that he picked 100 years. I mean, who the hell was alive and making music 100 years ago? Debussy, Erik Satie? Umm.....

    Here are a few, and I'm digging into things I'm not really fond of, but will probably be remembered:

    Ani Difranco
    Aphex Twin
    Billy Corgan
    Bjork
    Brian Transeau
    Britney Spears
    George Michael
    Jack Dangers
    Janet Jackson
    Linkin Park
    Madonna
    Mariah Carey
    Moby
    NoFX
    Queen (Started in 1973 but most of their career was post 1975)
    Tiesto
    Tom Waits (Again, started in 1973, but the majority of his career was post 1975.)
    Vince Clarke
  • Tom Waits and Queen I think we'll have to surrender fairly to Mr. Thorton. Really, I don't think his 1975 dividing line is particularly significant. Were I to draw the line of rock n' roll's adulthood, I'd pick 1977.

    You know more about electronica than I, but is Tiesto would be an appropriate pick over Daft Punk? The latter strikes me as more groundbreaking.

    Re: NOFX - as much as I *love* the band, I think Bad Religion is probably a better selection to represent the revival of West Coast punk.
  • TDub
    In no particular order:

    63) Jeff Buckley
    64) Blur
    65) The Chemical Brothers
    66) Hole
    67) Sublime
    68) Red Hot Chili Peppers
    69) Bjork
    70) Pantera
    71) The Dead Kennedys
    72) Jewel
    73) Iron Maiden
    75) Stevie Ray Vaughn
    76) George Clinton (& co.)
    77) The Breeders
    78) Megadeath
    79) Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
    80) Liz Phair
    81) Sarah McLachlan

    ...it just doesn't stop...

  • Jewel? I don't think she's going to make it dude. The Breeders probably get covered by The Pixies. Megadeth over Metallica? Bold claim sir.

    Dead Kennedys is an interesting pick to represent hardcore punk. I struggled with that one, in terms of which provided the most influence. I think sonically at least I'd be more inclined to suggest Black Flag or The Adolescents, though DK was clearly the most unique of the period.
  • TDub
    Can't deny the impact Metallica is had in any way shape or form - but just look at the legions of guitarists Dave Mustaine has inspired and influenced (even if the Metallica connection is there too, sort of). I might go so far as to put forth that more horns have and will continue to be been thrown his way by would-be acolytes honing their metal chops, then at Kirk Hammett.

    Re: Breeders vs. Pixies. Bite your tongue. That's like saying Foo Fighters is covered by Nirvana.

    Good call re: Black Flag, but I'd put forth that given the unique and significant influences that bot Jello and Henry played independently - both deserve to be on The List. At least with an eye on what's been carried forward from both bands by and through others who've followed in their respective footsteps.

    And Jewel: I think, perhaps, you're reacting to her largely dropping off the radar since, hell. The late 90's? But I'd argue that she's a significant and worthwhile force as a creative roll-model, and that she will play such a role for whatever generation rolls around next, within which we once again see an interest in the singer-songwriter.
  • Did The Breeders have as significant an impact as Foo Fighters? I'm not sure that analogy holds.

    As for Jewel, one good record, a bunch of shitty ones (including, you'll recall, that ill-conceived comeback record as a Britney-bubblegum pop star) and a poor poetry anthology I don't think will qualify Jewel as timeless. An important waypoint, but one that will be found on the map of music in the 90's, not the globe of popular music a hundred years from now.
  • TDub
    I'll admit - I'm not seeing the Foo Fighters myself. But I'm also not a huge fan so that my color my perspective.

    I'm willing to yield Jewel, but the Breeders will remain on MY list because they, as wilth Hole, offer up an important evolution of another lady's work:

    WhatEverNumberWe'reOn) Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.

    But then, I wouldn't expect somebody so afflicted with testosterone poisoning as you to understand.

  • Scott
    My 2 Cents worth. Dammit Rob, you took all the easy ones

    58) Stone Temple Pilots
    59) Violent Femmes
    60) Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    61) The Killers
    62) Some combo of Bon Jovi/Kid Rock/Limp Bizkit/Jane's Addiction. Take your pick
  • Doesn't Tom Petty go under 1975? When did they make their first record?
  • Scott
    According to my good friend Wikipedia, the TP and the Heartbreakers got together in 1976.
  • I dare Billy Bob to name one hundred between 1940 and 1974.
  • John
    Not sure if you will agree, but here are a few more that have a chance

    51) Michael Jackson
    52) Guns N Roses
    53) Beastie Boys
    54) Dave Matthews Band
    55) Coldplay
    56) Weezer
    57) Alice In Chains
  • vanessa59
    billy bob thorton grew up in malvern, arkansas. down the street from my grandpa. he's actually about 5 foot 3 inches tall, and has "little man syndrome".....he has ate too many fried lemon pies, with comments such as this. v
  • 26) Elvis Costello
    27) Motorhead (formed in '75... ?)
    28) Van Halen
    29) The Pretenders
    30) Prince
    31) The Replacements
    32) The Talking Heads (formed in '74, first gig in '75... ?)
    33) Depeche Mode
    34) Guided By Voices
    35) Public Enemy
    36) My Bloody Valentine
    37) Beck
    38) Dr. Dre
    39) Elliott Smith
    40) The Flaming Lips
    41) The Roots
    42) 2pac
    43) J Dilla
    44) Spoon
    45) Jay-Z
    46) Kanye West
    47) Sigur Ros
    48) Outkast
    49) Daft Punk
    50) Wu-Tang Clan

    There are *essential* metal and hip-hop artists I'm leaving for others to name... As reflective as these additions are of my personal taste, if I think about what I know of early jazz and ragtime, I feel like at least a handful of these artists will actually make the listened-to-in-100-years target. The Ramones. Radiohead. Dre. -h
  • I think there's probably more than a handful here. Public Enemy, Flaming Lips, Elliott Smith, Costello, Van Halen, Motorhead, Prince most certainly. Pretenders, Talking Heads, Beck, The Roots maybe?

    As much as I love Spoon, The Roots and Sigur Ros, I'm not sure they have been influential enough to stand that kind of classic test of time.
  • I'll get us a quarter of the way there.

    1) The Clash
    2) The Ramones
    3) The Misfits
    4) The English Beat
    5) The Specials
    6) Nirvana
    7) Pearl Jam
    8) Tori Amos
    9) Husker Du
    10) The Pixies
    11) Sonic Youth
    12) The Cure
    13) Soundgarden
    14) Tool
    15) Metallica
    16) Green Day
    17) Weezer
    18) Nine Inch Nails
    19) Smashing Pumpkins
    20) The White Stripes
    21) Modest Mouse
    22) Rage Against The Machine
    23) Fugazi
    24) Radiohead
    25) Foo Fighters
  • sacredflame
    awh, my tori's in there. *plants flag of fandom.*
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